What do you really think that a few voices can fight this "kingdom - mafia"? Impossible! The''ll get rabbonim to agree with them that's all. They have tooo much money and power already.
its about time we ask our selves who are our daas toora?
its about time we ask ourselves who are our manhigim?
its about time we ask ourselves who are our rabonim?
"ihm raboch domeh lmalach H .... az yevakesh tora mipihu"
sorry to say none of our true gedolei hadoros would've ever steeped so low and get so politically involved and dirty standing side by side with losers.
None of our true manhigim would've ever gotten so far-nishchad with power-buying money.
the biggest bizoyan hatorah is when its own lomdim are mevazeh it!
so shame on you r' malkiel kotler, and all rabonim that feel meshubad to follow your foot-steps in to darkness of the chillul hashem you are making.
if i had a tzad you would have the pintel hachnoah to listen to musar or hochochah i would tell this to you in your face.
but knowing the odds i think the chofetz chaim ztza"l would refrain from doing so, due to "lo sisa alav chait"
I Cannot blame the other side for not Trusting the Kotlers. If the Kotlers get any control over this case it will go straight To Rav Malkiels uncle Gavriel Finkel and Gavriel Finkel will Give The Dodalsons a Blanket "Heter Arkous" to do whatever they want in secular court as he has done many times in the past for his Relitives (Kotlers,Bursztyns Etc)
I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND? IF YOU ALL DON'T LIKE LAKEWOOD ........ WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WONT BE MISSED ! ............. you all came here to use this town!
None of you people read between the lines. Who put out this paskvil and what's the real motive?
The 2 Aryeh Malkiels put it out and then blame the Kotler enemies for doing it "bizoiyon Hatorah". They are good at this.
Remember the forged signatures on the letter against a Bais Din,? the same experts.
They say the Second ORA letter thanking the family and their yeshiva for joining and giving legitamcy to ORA, is a forgery. They do it in order to "scream" and blame one of their enemies.
CORRECTION: The poshuter solution is that the WEISS family should send a hazmonah through a Bais Din that isn't under the influence of the Kotlers. There is one right here in Lakewood. We all realized that's why they came out with the forged signatures on the letter against them.
If after 3 hazmonahs the Dodelsons don't succumb to the Bais Din, they'll issue a heter arkois if need be, as the first step.
They even DON'T have to be mivatel the non-valid "siruv" from Mechon.
Move somewhere else? where tp? BMG does not allow anyone else to open another Mokom Torah BMG wants a Monopoly on all of Klal Yisroel does Mir/Sloatsburg ring a bell?
How Does Gavriel Finkel Run the KCL Kashrus Orginization in Lakewood when his nephew Moshe Finkel was the one selling Shevach Non Kosher Chicken in Monsey NY?
you sound just like some mexicans that i know.
every time we call the police on them for being disorderly, or noisy, or rowdy. what do you think their response is? "if you dont like lakewood then leave".
so i guess the kotlers and the mexicans own lakewood.
i hope i wont get charged for trespassing.
IF the Weiss version of events is true (as posted on other blogs etc) than the Siruv from Mchon L' Hora is bogus. But one has to wonder if it is true. Especially since Machon L'Hora has a pretty good name. Unlike say the Am Ha'aretz Finkel. On the other hand, if they made a mistake, (due to lack of knowledge, misplaced fax etc), the chances of them admitting it are less than zero.
Now we know why the Roshei Yeshiva cried to reb Elya Svei, Z"L not to allow MIR Yerushalaim open a branch in the USA, they where BMG was heading so they eliminated a better choice-The time is now, to open a Mir yerushalem in the USA.
In my humble opinion, The anonymous post at 3:15pm must be removed for the following reasons:
1: It is dispicable and serves no function
2: it is personal and below the belt
3: it is farbissen and low
I am no Tzadik. Trust me. I read your blog, I read Shmarye loi aleinu. but somethings are just plain and simply wrong.
The commentator at 3:15 wants to give musser, fine.
But I disagree, because 1: A website is not the forum for his musser, and more importantly, 2: with this type musser we would all be OTD.
I therefore ask you Mr. Editor
HOW LOW CAN YOU GO LAKEWOOD VIEW.
Let me remind you: two wrongs don't make a right. You got a gripe, nu ok. But don't go in the gutter. The people in the sichsuch are more restrained then that comment was.
It is classless; petty and vindictive. Don't bring someones personal life into the discussion.
In the spirit of the days that we are in; mourning the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash. Let's stop this personal ruthless comments.
And, maybe, maybe, if we INTERNALIZE the fast we would all be zoicheh to yeshuios that we all so desperately need.
anyone interested in being mishtatef in being mesaken a makom Torah "Lishmor vlaasos ulekayem kehilchoso" Here in Lakewood davka.
should contact the admin.
the new Kollel will have NO affiliation not even a ktzas shibud to bmg.
we will welcome any chozer btshuva leaving bmg to learn sincerely.
Just like everyone told Reb Ahron ztzal "in America? impossible"
Likewise here in Lakewood today.
we can do it, we can make it happen.
the communists dont own lakewood like they think they do!
we must stand up for Kovod HaTorah and be mesaken es asher ives!
may we all be zocheh to see geula shelaima bkarov!
Lakewood "power family" goes by the Hebrew version of "Ani viafsi oid" the English transalation is "entilement". They are entitled to everything, All of your Govenmental grants, your tax dollars, your complete subservientcy to them, etc Who can open a business, a kolel, a mesifta, a bais medrash, a Bais Din, etc All of the above doesn't change if you are a Rov or an individual with no kesher to them or BMG at all.
We are breathing a wreaking ditatorship. Dictatorships are usually overthrown, many times from within the trusted circle.
They do put fear into all that disobey or question them, regardless if you are from lakewood, monroe, flatbush, etc.
Raboisai the only thing to fear is fear itself.
The machlokes of korach & Moshe Rabainu was the only time in history where one side was 100% right and the other side 100% wrong.
History is repeating itself. The tzibur is 100% right & the other side is 100% wrong.
to concerned blogger 6:51
you do raise a valid point as far as being below the belt.
however, due to the surrounding circumstances, we allowed the comment although he had lots more to say which we didnt. for the following reason...
the 3:15 comment was pointing out an old cliché "if you live in a glass house you shouldnt be throwing stones at others"
which is quite accurately applicable to RMK, when he himself got a heter maiah, and how? and for what situation? so he should be the last person to be sticking his lack of daas torah where it dont belong.
so point made and point taken. you may still disagree, or have another opinion. but the 3:15 comment was not out of line!
thank you!
To the editor: you say: "but the 3:15 comment was not out of line!"
I strongly beg to differ.
If 3:15 merely stated (as you did) those that live in glass houses.... Vult geven a halbeh tzarah.
But no, That was not enough for 3:15.
He got personal. He brought up RMK's children.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Very wrong!!
Nothing can justify that comment. Nothing.
My point is: the end don't justify the means. If his point was that those that live in glass houses. Say it. But don't go in the gutter. Feh!! Such anger!! So low!!!
I appreciate that you took the time to answer me. But i strongly stand by my comment at 6:51
at reconsideration your request has been granted, due to the way it is being perceived. but not to be construed that there is any sympathy for the dictator that thinks he has the monopoly on daas torah.
perhaps the 3:15 comment should have been phrased more considerately.
your input was appreciated, and so is your understanding.
can you explain why you all are afraid to use your names? you all can write what you want .... and hide! ........ if you want things to change ....YOU ARE DOING THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ! !!!!!!!! HIDE IN THE SHADOWS!
Many bnei yeshiva feel its time for a que de tah (I know i did not spell it right) aaron krupenia the kotler family bully and hot head was seen bulling the great talmid of R Moshe who learns in Alumni near the Alumni building last week.
At this point until an alternate system is established there is no point but to "Hide in the Shadows" unless you want the Lakewood/BMG Mafia after you they have shown over the years many times how low and to what length they are willing to go to Crush anyone who Dares step in their way (black mailing,throwing your kids out of school,try to throw you in jail,make up stories and allegations about you to try to Bashmutz you, what else am i missing?)
Thank you Mr. Editor. I appreciate that you moderated the comment.
While, I would have deleted 3:15's post in its entirety, at least you showed some restraint in moderating.
Since you are in this understanding mode, I make one final request based upon the same underlying issues that we previously discussed.
6:42pm comment gotta be moderated, or deleted, for the same reasons as articulated above.
While my earlier comments specifically addresses 3:15pm's nasty vicious comment, 6:42pm's comment, while very tame in comparison to 3:15, is also violating the rules of discussion.
All RMK's children should be off limits in this discussion. Period.
I hope I did not overstay my welcome in badgering you; but I think you will agree with me that all comments should not contain personal info about anyones children. It's just not right.
WHY SHOULD WE GIVE OUT OR NAMES?SO THE YESHIVA CAN THROW OUR CHILDREN OUT OF SCHOOL?also i will never go too a bais din in lakewood they are biased.i was told not too take a ROSH YESHIVA too bais din beasuse i will lose.even before saying anything about my complaint.i went and i lost because of insufficent evidence.i had plenty of evidence nobody cared!!!!!WHAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION THE ASK WHEN YOU GO UPSTAIRS?i can tell you without a doubt there will be a large amount that will fail, maybe even a majority of lakewood.
BARUCH HASHEM FOR THE LAKEWOODVIEW,IT'S THE ONLY AVENUE THAT TELLS ''ALL" opinions about lakewood even if it's the truth about BMG.ALL OF YOUR TALMIDIM LEARN ABOUT STICK hud, food stamps, jersey CARE all being abused with BMGS APPROVAL.
12.09 p.m.
If you need to take someone to Bais Din the ONLY place to go is the BADATZ of Lakewood. They are not afraid of anyone only the Ribono Shel Olam. The mafia realized this and tried to obliterate them by signing and forcing others to sign a letter against them. Little did they realize that it would only backfire because the tzibur has seen through all their mafia tactics.
Let us all continue this revolution and be machzir atara leyoshno and return Lakewood to being a malom of Torah and Yiras Shamayim.
12.09 p.m.
If you need to take someone to Bais Din the ONLY place to go is the BADATZ of Lakewood. They are not afraid of anyone only the Ribono Shel Olam. The mafia realized this and tried to obliterate them by signing and forcing others to sign a letter against them. Little did they realize that it would only backfire because the tzibur has seen through all their mafia tactics.
Let us all continue this revolution and be machzir atara leyoshno and return Lakewood to being a makom of Torah and Yiras Shamayim.
With the "Family" you can't go almost to any bais din. May I suggest that you make sure you have the "families'" blessing when going to Ocean County Court. The "family" has the court where they want them. Beware.
Wow! Rashi in Bechukosai was really right! "....in the end he hated talmidei chachomim...." next two steps are to deny that the mitzvos are G-D given and then to deny G-D himself. You guys are almost there!
i gather from your speech you are a perfect holy jew....... why do you think any rosh yeshiva has to be perfect all the time.... .. just remmember they got the job .....NOT YOU! that being said i'm sure your in lakewood cuz the food is great here. . im sure its not for any other reason......................................................................... IM SURE YOU GOT MARRIED CUZ YOU LEARN IN BMG! ....... enjoy the benefit of thegreat shidduch you got cuz of that!
Uh oh, You're gonna get sued again. Put a lawyer on retainer.
Translate please.
Can someone translate?
What do you really think that a few voices can fight this "kingdom - mafia"? Impossible! The''ll get rabbonim to agree with them that's all. They have tooo much money and power already.
Why post this without a translation?
coming soon
please post the whole story.
U r a shaigetz for printing knoflers drivel.
You can read the whole story on Rabbi Doniel or Dovid Eidensons blog '''Daas Torah '' or '' Daat Torah''
Rav Dovid Feinstein Shlita Said many years ago that Lakewood is the "WILD WEST" when it comes to Botei Dinim and Halacha Lemayse
its about time
its about time we ask our selves who are our daas toora?
its about time we ask ourselves who are our manhigim?
its about time we ask ourselves who are our rabonim?
"ihm raboch domeh lmalach H .... az yevakesh tora mipihu"
sorry to say none of our true gedolei hadoros would've ever steeped so low and get so politically involved and dirty standing side by side with losers.
None of our true manhigim would've ever gotten so far-nishchad with power-buying money.
the biggest bizoyan hatorah is when its own lomdim are mevazeh it!
so shame on you r' malkiel kotler, and all rabonim that feel meshubad to follow your foot-steps in to darkness of the chillul hashem you are making.
if i had a tzad you would have the pintel hachnoah to listen to musar or hochochah i would tell this to you in your face.
but knowing the odds i think the chofetz chaim ztza"l would refrain from doing so, due to "lo sisa alav chait"
I Cannot blame the other side for not Trusting the Kotlers. If the Kotlers get any control over this case it will go straight To Rav Malkiels uncle Gavriel Finkel and Gavriel Finkel will Give The Dodalsons a Blanket "Heter Arkous" to do whatever they want in secular court as he has done many times in the past for his Relitives (Kotlers,Bursztyns Etc)
I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND? IF YOU ALL DON'T LIKE LAKEWOOD ........ WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WONT BE MISSED ! ............. you all came here to use this town!
None of you people read between the lines. Who put out this paskvil and what's the real motive?
The 2 Aryeh Malkiels put it out and then blame the Kotler enemies for doing it "bizoiyon Hatorah". They are good at this.
Remember the forged signatures on the letter against a Bais Din,? the same experts.
They say the Second ORA letter thanking the family and their yeshiva for joining and giving legitamcy to ORA, is a forgery. They do it in order to "scream" and blame one of their enemies.
bmg is not what it used to be.
its chashivus has deteriorated by 100%
its a matter of time till parents from all around the globe begin to realize what a waste of time and waste of growth it is for their children.
its a place where no more fruit can be produced.
all because its a place that its leaders are lomaid al menas SHELO laasos.
it has become nothing more than a money and power hungry driving force!
Raboisai! time to move on, time to take control of the matzav and shtel some serious learning for ourselves and our future.
soor mera vaaseh tov!
depart from bmg and start learning elsewhere.
CORRECTION: The poshuter solution is that the WEISS family should send a hazmonah through a Bais Din that isn't under the influence of the Kotlers. There is one right here in Lakewood. We all realized that's why they came out with the forged signatures on the letter against them.
If after 3 hazmonahs the Dodelsons don't succumb to the Bais Din, they'll issue a heter arkois if need be, as the first step.
They even DON'T have to be mivatel the non-valid "siruv" from Mechon.
Move somewhere else? where tp? BMG does not allow anyone else to open another Mokom Torah BMG wants a Monopoly on all of Klal Yisroel does Mir/Sloatsburg ring a bell?
How Does Gavriel Finkel Run the KCL Kashrus Orginization in Lakewood when his nephew Moshe Finkel was the one selling Shevach Non Kosher Chicken in Monsey NY?
you sound just like some mexicans that i know.
every time we call the police on them for being disorderly, or noisy, or rowdy. what do you think their response is? "if you dont like lakewood then leave".
so i guess the kotlers and the mexicans own lakewood.
i hope i wont get charged for trespassing.
IF the Weiss version of events is true (as posted on other blogs etc) than the Siruv from Mchon L' Hora is bogus. But one has to wonder if it is true. Especially since Machon L'Hora has a pretty good name. Unlike say the Am Ha'aretz Finkel. On the other hand, if they made a mistake, (due to lack of knowledge, misplaced fax etc), the chances of them admitting it are less than zero.
Now we know why the Roshei Yeshiva cried to reb Elya Svei, Z"L not to allow MIR Yerushalaim open a branch in the USA, they where BMG was heading so they eliminated a better choice-The time is now, to open a Mir yerushalem in the USA.
Rmk you did not learn your own lesson with your life you dumped Reb Michel feinstein's daughter (moderated)
this pashkevil is written in as really satmarish way. seems like a joke.
Rav Malkiels son dropped out of Yeshiva years ago i hear lately he has been floating around Tzfas
In my humble opinion, The anonymous post at 3:15pm must be removed for the following reasons:
1: It is dispicable and serves no function
2: it is personal and below the belt
3: it is farbissen and low
I am no Tzadik. Trust me. I read your blog, I read Shmarye loi aleinu. but somethings are just plain and simply wrong.
The commentator at 3:15 wants to give musser, fine.
But I disagree, because 1: A website is not the forum for his musser, and more importantly, 2: with this type musser we would all be OTD.
I therefore ask you Mr. Editor
HOW LOW CAN YOU GO LAKEWOOD VIEW.
Let me remind you: two wrongs don't make a right. You got a gripe, nu ok. But don't go in the gutter. The people in the sichsuch are more restrained then that comment was.
It is classless; petty and vindictive. Don't bring someones personal life into the discussion.
In the spirit of the days that we are in; mourning the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash. Let's stop this personal ruthless comments.
And, maybe, maybe, if we INTERNALIZE the fast we would all be zoicheh to yeshuios that we all so desperately need.
anyone interested in being mishtatef in being mesaken a makom Torah "Lishmor vlaasos ulekayem kehilchoso" Here in Lakewood davka.
should contact the admin.
the new Kollel will have NO affiliation not even a ktzas shibud to bmg.
we will welcome any chozer btshuva leaving bmg to learn sincerely.
Just like everyone told Reb Ahron ztzal "in America? impossible"
Likewise here in Lakewood today.
we can do it, we can make it happen.
the communists dont own lakewood like they think they do!
we must stand up for Kovod HaTorah and be mesaken es asher ives!
may we all be zocheh to see geula shelaima bkarov!
Lakewood "power family" goes by the Hebrew version of "Ani viafsi oid" the English transalation is "entilement". They are entitled to everything, All of your Govenmental grants, your tax dollars, your complete subservientcy to them, etc Who can open a business, a kolel, a mesifta, a bais medrash, a Bais Din, etc All of the above doesn't change if you are a Rov or an individual with no kesher to them or BMG at all.
We are breathing a wreaking ditatorship. Dictatorships are usually overthrown, many times from within the trusted circle.
They do put fear into all that disobey or question them, regardless if you are from lakewood, monroe, flatbush, etc.
Raboisai the only thing to fear is fear itself.
The machlokes of korach & Moshe Rabainu was the only time in history where one side was 100% right and the other side 100% wrong.
History is repeating itself. The tzibur is 100% right & the other side is 100% wrong.
to concerned blogger 6:51
you do raise a valid point as far as being below the belt.
however, due to the surrounding circumstances, we allowed the comment although he had lots more to say which we didnt. for the following reason...
the 3:15 comment was pointing out an old cliché "if you live in a glass house you shouldnt be throwing stones at others"
which is quite accurately applicable to RMK, when he himself got a heter maiah, and how? and for what situation? so he should be the last person to be sticking his lack of daas torah where it dont belong.
so point made and point taken. you may still disagree, or have another opinion. but the 3:15 comment was not out of line!
thank you!
please remove 3:15 pm comment its way to low
and please dont play g-d we dont know why hashem does things to people
To the editor: you say: "but the 3:15 comment was not out of line!"
I strongly beg to differ.
If 3:15 merely stated (as you did) those that live in glass houses.... Vult geven a halbeh tzarah.
But no, That was not enough for 3:15.
He got personal. He brought up RMK's children.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Very wrong!!
Nothing can justify that comment. Nothing.
My point is: the end don't justify the means. If his point was that those that live in glass houses. Say it. But don't go in the gutter. Feh!! Such anger!! So low!!!
I appreciate that you took the time to answer me. But i strongly stand by my comment at 6:51
Reconsider, please.
to 6:51
at reconsideration your request has been granted, due to the way it is being perceived. but not to be construed that there is any sympathy for the dictator that thinks he has the monopoly on daas torah.
perhaps the 3:15 comment should have been phrased more considerately.
your input was appreciated, and so is your understanding.
can you explain why you all are afraid to use your names? you all can write what you want .... and hide! ........ if you want things to change ....YOU ARE DOING THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ! !!!!!!!! HIDE IN THE SHADOWS!
Many bnei yeshiva feel its time for a que de tah (I know i did not spell it right) aaron krupenia the kotler family bully and hot head was seen bulling the great talmid of R Moshe who learns in Alumni near the Alumni building last week.
At this point until an alternate system is established there is no point but to "Hide in the Shadows" unless you want the Lakewood/BMG Mafia after you they have shown over the years many times how low and to what length they are willing to go to Crush anyone who Dares step in their way (black mailing,throwing your kids out of school,try to throw you in jail,make up stories and allegations about you to try to Bashmutz you, what else am i missing?)
Thank you Mr. Editor. I appreciate that you moderated the comment.
While, I would have deleted 3:15's post in its entirety, at least you showed some restraint in moderating.
Since you are in this understanding mode, I make one final request based upon the same underlying issues that we previously discussed.
6:42pm comment gotta be moderated, or deleted, for the same reasons as articulated above.
While my earlier comments specifically addresses 3:15pm's nasty vicious comment, 6:42pm's comment, while very tame in comparison to 3:15, is also violating the rules of discussion.
All RMK's children should be off limits in this discussion. Period.
I hope I did not overstay my welcome in badgering you; but I think you will agree with me that all comments should not contain personal info about anyones children. It's just not right.
WHY SHOULD WE GIVE OUT OR NAMES?SO THE YESHIVA CAN THROW OUR CHILDREN OUT OF SCHOOL?also i will never go too a bais din in lakewood they are biased.i was told not too take a ROSH YESHIVA too bais din beasuse i will lose.even before saying anything about my complaint.i went and i lost because of insufficent evidence.i had plenty of evidence nobody cared!!!!!WHAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION THE ASK WHEN YOU GO UPSTAIRS?i can tell you without a doubt there will be a large amount that will fail, maybe even a majority of lakewood.
BARUCH HASHEM FOR THE LAKEWOODVIEW,IT'S THE ONLY AVENUE THAT TELLS ''ALL" opinions about lakewood even if it's the truth about BMG.ALL OF YOUR TALMIDIM LEARN ABOUT STICK hud, food stamps, jersey CARE all being abused with BMGS APPROVAL.
Thanks for moderating the 3:15 comment
who got divorced? anyoneone know?
12.09 p.m.
If you need to take someone to Bais Din the ONLY place to go is the BADATZ of Lakewood. They are not afraid of anyone only the Ribono Shel Olam. The mafia realized this and tried to obliterate them by signing and forcing others to sign a letter against them. Little did they realize that it would only backfire because the tzibur has seen through all their mafia tactics.
Let us all continue this revolution and be machzir atara leyoshno and return Lakewood to being a malom of Torah and Yiras Shamayim.
12.09 p.m.
If you need to take someone to Bais Din the ONLY place to go is the BADATZ of Lakewood. They are not afraid of anyone only the Ribono Shel Olam. The mafia realized this and tried to obliterate them by signing and forcing others to sign a letter against them. Little did they realize that it would only backfire because the tzibur has seen through all their mafia tactics.
Let us all continue this revolution and be machzir atara leyoshno and return Lakewood to being a makom of Torah and Yiras Shamayim.
Well said 11:50am. Nothing missing!
I must agree most boti din today are corrupt, with very little exception.
With the "Family" you can't go almost to any bais din. May I suggest that you make sure you have the "families'" blessing when going to Ocean County Court. The "family" has the court where they want them. Beware.
And they're laughing all the way to the bank
And when some Kol Korei goes out against an individual,for debatably self-serving reasons - that doesn't kill that individual's kids?!
all the regular people here in lakewood learning and working are great and ehrlich
its the ones who its said about "power corrups" that have a major problem
Wow! Rashi in Bechukosai was really right! "....in the end he hated talmidei chachomim...." next two steps are to deny that the mitzvos are G-D given and then to deny G-D himself. You guys are almost there!
i gather from your speech you are a perfect holy jew....... why do you think any rosh yeshiva has to be perfect all the time.... .. just remmember they got the job .....NOT YOU! that being said i'm sure your in lakewood cuz the food is great here. . im sure its not for any other reason......................................................................... IM SURE YOU GOT MARRIED CUZ YOU LEARN IN BMG! ....... enjoy the benefit of thegreat shidduch you got cuz of that!
there is NO NEED to respond to the hypocritical anonymous badgering to others "why they hiding in the shadows".
if he is so tough, then WHY DIDNT HE HIMSELF USE HIS REAL NAME?
huh mr tough guy?
perhaps you hiding and have what to hide.
perhaps you are a krupenia or another bmg kochleffel looking to see who you can attack.
and of course you wouldnt want anyone knowing that you are on the internet.... aya yai!