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Posted: Jun 5th, 2012 11:14 PM

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Here is a great example of how they push our kids over the edge. This is a regular frum Bais Yaakov Elementary school in Lakewood. This Newsletter was sent out to all grades. How does a parent explain this?

Mashiach needs to come fast...

From a Concerned Parent of Bnos Yaakov Elementary School

122 Responses to “Reader Submitted: From Bnos Yaakov...”

  1. Anonymous says:

    Bnos Yaakov is not an easy school to get into. If you are not happy there, have you considered moving to another school?

    Have you expressed your concern to the hanhala before posting?

    Are you raising your daughters to follow the code of tzniyus that Bnos Yaakov promotes? Or are you raising them with a disconnect between home and school? Are your daughters afraid that you are going to burn them in the olam haemes because you do not have time, money or inclination to replace outgrown uniforms?

    If you have a house of kedusha, you would be able to discuss the issue with the principal. If you do not, you will never be able to explain the story to your children.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Wow, it has finally happened. A tznius story even worse, much worse, than the one that has given me nightmares since I was 9 years old (and I am in my 50s). That particular story (about the girl who took certain extreme actions in order to prevent her skirt from rising in a revealing manner) was given over in a booklet for leaders of a popular program for girls. After MY 9 y.o. daughter came home telling me that story, I stopped sending her to that program. What an awful story! I will not be able to sleep tonight.

  3. Anonymous says:

    I suppose the attitude of love and beauty for Tzneius has been replaced with; your going to burn in hell little girls!!

    Those responsible for this lack of any common sense article do not belong in the Chinuch field.

  4. Anonymous says:

    The Taliban are taking over.

  5. Anonymous says:

    We need more Taliban like these!!!

  6. Anonymous says:

    THIS IS FROM THE SHOMER EMUNIM.
    the school didn't make it up.

  7. Anonymous says:

    letter is hard to read. but i think i read that a woman was burning her daughter with hot boiling clothing because of tznius? did they give this to kids? yeah that will get them to love hashem. seriously screwed in the head. then we wonder why jewish girls are hanging out smoking and running around like street walkers R"L. teach them if their skirt is not 4 inches below the knee they will be burned by their own mother?
    and what is with the food line? what if she cooks in her home in pajamas, will the food taste bad? BY is getting out of hand.in five years burkas will be regular dress

  8. Mendel Mendel says:

    Forget about the content. The English style is horrible. "a younger lady laying on a bench"? Gimme a break - it should be "lying". "The clothing, which were boiling up in the pot, emitted clouds of smoke..."? Boiling clothes would emit "steam" not smoke. And there is more, much more. OK, let them write nonsense, but they should at least teach them good English.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Rabosai: It's the husbands at fault, the women are just followers not leaders. The husbands want to show off their "bashert" to the world. Straighten out the yeshivas.

  10. Anonymous says:

    im i missing something, is there something wrong with teaching children about sechar and oinesh? do you not believe in it? when should yiras shomayim be instilled in kids?

  11. Anonymous says:

    "It's the husbands at fault, the women are just followers not leaders. " R E A L L Y !!!!
    something wrong in the head of anyone who believes this

  12. Anonymous says:

    face it hell is hot. Better learn that before its too late

  13. Anonymous says:

    Must be a husband writing, but the cold facts are: the husbands are at fault for the lack of tzinious in our frum yeshivish society.

  14. Anonymous says:

    There is a tznius problem in Lakewood. But stop all this chasidush nonsence maisalauch (false storys).

  15. Bnei Yakov says:

    We should be teaching kids to report nuts who burn their children to the police. I want my money back.

  16. Anonymous says:

    why not have all girls in lakewood over the age of 9 walk around in burkas and PJ"S as the extremes in israel do??

  17. Anonymous says:

    "It seems like what they saw was a mother and daughter...." Really?!?!?!? Maybe , if the story has any basis in reality, what they actually saw a was a case of child abuse????

    We should teach our children sechar va'onesh as the Torah including Torah she'be'al peh teach it, not according to some layman's "seeming" INTERPRETATION of a very odd story "told to the Shomer Emunim by a reliable person".

    Scary stuff - that a school is teaching anyone, adult or child, things that have NO basis in halacha.

    (And, yes, the English is terrible!!!)

  18. Anonymous says:

    What the is wrong with you people?
    It was obviously a woman torturing someone else!
    Why aren't we teaching our children to help others in need rather than run away and dress properly!?

  19. Michael says:

    Somebody should call DYFS now and report the administration of this "school".

  20. Anonymous says:

    The real problem is that this is a "true story"! This is a mashal! Like many medrashim this is meant to be taught and discussed among adults. The conversation among mothers as to how and what we teach our daughters about tznius is worthwhile. The problem is presenting this story to children and even worse, as a "true event."

  21. Moishe says:

    I heard a different peshat from my rebbe.

    He said that the mother was burning her daughter because she was a kappara for the aveiros of her father and brothers. These men in her family weren't temimusdik enough to bear the oinesh and therefore there mother and sister decided to save the families' neshamos. What nashim tsidkaniyos!

  22. Eli says:

    How are you so sure that the Borei Olam is not mevater on tznius "not one tiny bit"? Is this how you define an Av Harachaman? Perhaps he's not mevater one bit on this psychological torture you put on my children!

  23. Agathe says:

    This is like watching a cult in action. What the vast majority of the rational world sees as disturbing is dutifully accepted by cult members with a "well, but . . . "

    "Well, but," the secular world has weird fairy tales, so this really isn't so bizarre.
    "Well, but," others don't understand the context of this story.
    "Well, but," every group has extremists. You're just focusing on extremism.
    "Well, but," it's just a story.
    "Well, but," it's a story to emphasize the importance of modesty to children.
    "Well, but," maybe it's a bad example, so let's minimize it.
    "Well, but," it may not be YOUR cup of tea, so you may leave now.

  24. Sara says:

    This is a forgery. And the school never distributed this.

  25. Anonymous says:

    i just wonder whoever is behind this farce, if their iq is beyond 91.

  26. Anonymous says:

    I'm just enjoying that the Lakewood View stole its website format and design from the Huffington Post, a website that I'm sure it would condemn.

  27. Anonymous says:

    To the person who said "Is there something wrong with teaching children about sechar and oinesh?"
    I gotta tell you, I expected more from you. Think about what you said.
    Sechar AND oinesh.
    I don't see anything here remotely close to Sechar.
    Has there been an equally graphic example of Sechar for Tznius in anything you have seen?
    Try telling this story to a little girl
    Then tell her that Hashem loves her.
    See if she believes that.

  28. Anonymous says:

    The issue of this story is not Tznius. That is an important issue for both women and men. The issue if this a story that should be presented to all the grades of a school without adult input. If the story was put into a newsletter without discussion supervised by a responsible, trained adult, there is a problem.

  29. Askanim - schools says:

    This is a blatant Lie that Askanim perpetuate. This story never happened, and you'd be a gullible fool to believe that it did. I'll prove it to you.

    They can't even get the FACT right! the fact is: it was told over by someone who heard it from either his father or his uncle. So I ask you, which one was it, his father or his uncle? The fact that someone was told this story is the most believable part (I believe b'emuna shleima that it was related by a 'reliable' source) and even that part they could not get right!!

    Everything is b'hashgocha protis. You see the hand of Hashem clearly here. He is telling us even before you read the story, it didn't come from Me!!!

  30. Agathe says:

    "Well, but," This is a forgery. And the school never distributed this.

  31. Menachem says:

    I'm not sure of the different schools in Lakewood, but if its the one I'm thinking of, I know the principal. She's a fine and normal woman who I could never imagine would send out something like this.

    Can someone in Lakewood get a statement from her?

  32. Anonymous says:

    These people who wrote this are hypocrites. Four times a week they are in Shul, and testify: Deracheha Darchei Noam" - " Its ways are the ways of sweetnes" and then they say this.
    Either they are lying when they say "Darchei Noam" or they are lying when they say this story is a true image of what our "sweet and loving" God is all about.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Just a few short years ago, when a public school system in Pennsylvania decided that they were going to teach their children about "Intelligent Design" instead of Evolution, the parent body was up in arms about it.

    "How dare you scare the children by teaching them that there is a G-d", they said. "You are emotionally abusing them - You are bringing them up in fear", others said. "What are we, the Taliban???"

    And the next year, they voted out the entire School Board, so that a more atheist School Board would be able to force the schools to go back to teaching Evolution again.

    And everyone lived happily ever after.

    True story.

  34. Anonymous says:

    I sure hope Sara is right.

    For those saying "don't you care about tziyus?" you're missing the point. We DO care about tzniyus - very much so. We care very much about instilling love of Hashem and Yiras Shemayim. Which is why we find this so disturbing. The third commenter hit it on the head - our daughters need to see the beauty of tzniyus, not be threatened with a burning cauldron. Hashem is not some playground bully.

    I'm sure wearing scalding hot clothes is not as bad as the shame we will feel if, R"L, we come to Olam HaEmes with aveiros for which we have not done teshuvah. But that doesn't make this a good way to teach our girls love of mitzvos.

  35. Eclipse says:

    The entire concept of burning in hell is Christian, not Jewish. It was created by early church fathers to control their congregants through fear. Generations of children were tortured with this horror.

    These kids are being set up for major trauma disorders. It is nothing less than psychological abuse.

  36. Anonymous says:

    Not even Jeesus would stand for this nonsence - wake up and smell the coffee everyone you are all living in the real world!

  37. Anonymous says:

    Jews are taught to never torture. Whomever distributed this did a major disservice to Jewish people and misrepresented all we believe. He should be fired from that school. Shame on HIM (and we know it's a man without any doubt).

  38. Anonymous says:

    Religious extremism in the making. This story never happened in my humble opinion

  39. Parent of Bnos Yakov says:

    GEHINOM IS HOT, VERY HOT, SCARY AND ALOT WORSE.
    Perhaps if the editors of The Lakewood View and comment writers would've learned about GEHINOM when they were younger, then they wouldn't write so much Loshon Hora and Mesiros which will land them in GEHINOM.
    Are you bitter about crooks running town!? Me too! but that doesn't give anyone a right to be a Moser or write Loshon Hora!!!!

    Sincerely,

    Proud Parent of Bnos Yakov

  40. Anonymous says:

    20 years until honor killings. Chassidus was once liberal, personifying unconditional love. How things have changed.

  41. HELL says:

    What do you do when they read the "curses" in the Torah!? Do you walk out of Shul!? "PARENTS WILL EAT THEIR CHILDRENS FLESH......."!!!!!!!!!!!
    Better learn about HELL now before it's too late!!

  42. Descendant says:

    This story sounds like it would have to be from the "Shomer Emunim" of "Reb Areleh". There's no way it fits in with the thinking of the prior Shomer Emunim (R' Yosef Ergas) who lived in the 1700's.

  43. Anonymous says:

    I'm 51 and was told the horrible story of the tzniusdik girl with the pins in her legs to keep her skirt down...it was part of a long and complicated story about three people who were caught in a purgetory of sorts and their good deeds..like the pins in the legs got them out of purgetory...i don't remember the two other pieces of the story...but yes..night mare material.

  44. Chassid says:

    You're reading the Misnagdish version of the story. The Chassidish Version goes as follows:

    They heard music coming from the field and saw a beautiful palace with gardens of flowers - to make a long drawn out story short - this was the schar for keeping the mitzvos dear .....

    As they left the palace, they picked up the money that the misnagdim dropped while running away, they brought it back to the town and everyone lived happily ever after..

    the end....

  45. Ma Nishtana says:

    A few questions about this story:

    1. Who is the "reliable" person?

    2. Did it happen with his father or uncle?

    3. If they thought there were robbers in the house, why did they bring money into the house (that they dropped as they ran out)?

    4. If the woman was asking for help, why didn't they help her?

    5. why did they run away, would you run away if you saw something like that? wouldn't you feel like you were there in order to do something?

    6. "This Kedush extends onto all the foods" can you explain what that means?

    7. "and onto her husband"... why was he left out of the story to begin with, where was he?

    8. Last but not least, you're teaching this to small innocent children? are you for real?

  46. Anonymous says:

    oh, does the school have a tznius issue with their parent body that they have to act like such idiots? This will really give the kids a geshmak in yiddishkeit! (not)

  47. Anonymous says:

    There aren't too many dots to connect between this garbage masquerading as some form of Yiddishkeit and the Afghan Muslim mother whose teen daughter committed the heinous un-tzneiusdig act of being raped and said mother now demands her daughter's death to restore the family honor.

  48. Anonymous says:

    This story doesn't need to be true for the point to be valid. Children at these schools are not making informed decisions about religion.

  49. Anonymous says:

    who makes up this -------

  50. Anonymous says:

    On the wall of one Brooklyn high school (not BY) I saw a poster claiming that school buses in Israel blow up because Jewish girls all over the world are not tsinious.

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